I followed your link from somewhere else. I just wanted to say: This isn't the norm.
The norm is someone coming in well before 20 weeks; the norm is someone who doesn't want a child.
Abortion IS ugly; that is true. But so is child abuse and war and poverty. The medical profession that won't treat someone for a condition (until it's too late) because they don't have insurance: That's ugly, too.
What I'd like to know is why do some people care more about the viability of fetuses than they care about the sons and daughters of mothers who are sent off to war for scandelous reasons? Why do the same people who insert themselves into private decisions about abortion go on to rant about welfare mothers and medicaid cheats?
I suppose it would be wonderful if these things NEVER happened. But the real truth is the ills of society will always be among us. We must deal with it. Until we do I will always choose supporting women first.
Doesn't matter what the norm is.. No man, and no woman, has the right to choose to murder an innocent human being. ( note... HUMAN BEING- not fetus.) This ill of society might not always be with us if people stopped voting for "choice" Its no choice when someone's else's life is at stake.
Well put. It can not be a "choice" because that baby has no say in the decision. Sure, the abortions in the video are not the "norm," most are done a lot earlier than that. Even though I do not agree with abortion, I'm afraid that if it's outlawed people are going to do crazy things to get achieve an abortion, potentially harming themselves as well. Also, if it's outlawed I'm afraid some sketchy doctors are going to start doing a lot more of those late pregnancy abortions behind closed doors because if the whole thing is outlawed their not going to care how far along the woman is as opposed to when abortions just past 20 weeks or whatever are illegal, I feel like late pregnancy abortions are less likely to happen then... not sure if that made sense, but I know what I meant!
Ahh, and so said people back when slavery was legal. "Well, I don't agree with slavery, and I don't have any slaves personally, but I wouldn't want to vote to end slavery because that might lead to a civil war or something uncomfortable." Sometimes you have to step outside your comfort zone to support what is right.
You can't be both pro-life and vote for a candidate who votes pro-choice. ESPECIALLY one as liberal and pro-abortion as Obama. A vote for Obama is, in essence a vote for infanticide. Just look up his voting record as a pathetic senator in Chicago. Born Alive Infant Protection Act?
Here is an excellent article on this exact debate: http://www.newsweek.com/id/165045/page/1 You can't intellectualize the pro-choice argument while proclaiming abortion is an 'ugly' thing. Sorry, simple logic won't allow it.
AND, FYI, the majority of organizations that support women in crisis pregnancies are charity organizations support and funded by the pro-life movement. Because they realize how much is at stake.
Women deserve better than abortion. As do their children. So many people wait for years to adopt... and many will never have the chance because the children they could have raised are being brutally murdered.
PS. To the Vigneau's: I love reading your blog!!! Keira is getting so cute. The internet is a funny thing, huh? Who knows who you will meet next! ;)
"The norm is someone coming in well before 20 weeks"
What does that matter? The fact that Obama has repeatedly voted to uphold late term abortions is a problem. Have you seen ultrasounds of babies at six weeks? Eight weeks? Ten weeks---there is no doubt that they are human beings....and because they have no voice, many of us choose to speak out on their behalf in their defense.
"the norm is someone who doesn't want a child."
So they should use abortion as a form of birth control? How many people have you encountered that WANT to have children and are unable...there are no 'unwanted' children....there are simply inconvenient children---HUGE difference.
"Abortion IS ugly; that is true. But so is child abuse and war and poverty."
Yes, and we should do all we can to solve all those issues. You can't ignore any of them.
"The medical profession that won't treat someone for a condition (until it's too late) because they don't have insurance: That's ugly, too."
Sorry, I have not seen this happen. There are social workers out there that find a way to make it work for the uninsured. Hospitals write off tons of money for people that are unable to pay... People in the US do not go without treatment....
"What I'd like to know is why do some people care more about the viability of fetuses than they care about the sons and daughters of mothers who are sent off to war for scandelous reasons?"
Why do you think that people care more about one than another? Because some people supported the overthrow of a murderous dictator who killed thousands of his own countrymen? All life is sacred, all life should be protected---not just the unborn, but ESPECIALLY the unborn.
"Why do the same people who insert themselves into private decisions about abortion go on to rant about welfare mothers and medicaid cheats?"
I guess you have not honestly spent much time with those in the prolife movement. Ever heard of birthright or other organizations that go out of there way to provide housing, food, baby items and things like that to SUPPORT women who find themselves in situations of an unplanned pregnancy? You can not address the abortion issue without addressing the poverty issue--- Most prolife people I know are all about supporting women...and if that means medicaid and welfare for a time....there are no issues with that. It is when some political persons want socialism and want abuse of the system that there are issues.
"I will always choose supporting women first."
Well, I don't think that any support of abortion is a support of women. I think that abortion is possibly the greatest lie that has been thrust upon women. I choose to support babies....
Might I also add that it belittles the efforts of our brave men and women in service to speak of them as children being sent off to war. You know, as of right now, the military IS COMPLETELY voluntary. Plus, they have training to protect themselves in war and are issued guns. So, yeah, I care more about those who cannot protect themselves. Not really a fair comparison, sorry.
Plus, our brave men and women are currently fighting so we all have the freedom to write on these things called blogs! I, for one, am forever grateful to their service and sacrifice. My own brother might be one of those men one day and I would never insult his honor and courage in such a manner.
And PS, you can call a fetus by any other name, but it is still a human being, a life. That is a fact of medicine, not personal persuasion.
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Very powerful.
I followed your link from somewhere else. I just wanted to say: This isn't the norm.
The norm is someone coming in well before 20 weeks; the norm is someone who doesn't want a child.
Abortion IS ugly; that is true. But so is child abuse and war and poverty. The medical profession that won't treat someone for a condition (until it's too late) because they don't have insurance: That's ugly, too.
What I'd like to know is why do some people care more about the viability of fetuses than they care about the sons and daughters of mothers who are sent off to war for scandelous reasons? Why do the same people who insert themselves into private decisions about abortion go on to rant about welfare mothers and medicaid cheats?
I suppose it would be wonderful if these things NEVER happened. But the real truth is the ills of society will always be among us. We must deal with it. Until we do I will always choose supporting women first.
Doesn't matter what the norm is.. No man, and no woman, has the right to choose to murder an innocent human being. ( note... HUMAN BEING- not fetus.) This ill of society might not always be with us if people stopped voting for "choice" Its no choice when someone's else's life is at stake.
Well put. It can not be a "choice" because that baby has no say in the decision. Sure, the abortions in the video are not the "norm," most are done a lot earlier than that. Even though I do not agree with abortion, I'm afraid that if it's outlawed people are going to do crazy things to get achieve an abortion, potentially harming themselves as well. Also, if it's outlawed I'm afraid some sketchy doctors are going to start doing a lot more of those late pregnancy abortions behind closed doors because if the whole thing is outlawed their not going to care how far along the woman is as opposed to when abortions just past 20 weeks or whatever are illegal, I feel like late pregnancy abortions are less likely to happen then... not sure if that made sense, but I know what I meant!
Ahh, and so said people back when slavery was legal. "Well, I don't agree with slavery, and I don't have any slaves personally, but I wouldn't want to vote to end slavery because that might lead to a civil war or something uncomfortable." Sometimes you have to step outside your comfort zone to support what is right.
You can't be both pro-life and vote for a candidate who votes pro-choice. ESPECIALLY one as liberal and pro-abortion as Obama. A vote for Obama is, in essence a vote for infanticide. Just look up his voting record as a pathetic senator in Chicago. Born Alive Infant Protection Act?
Here is an excellent article on this exact debate:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/165045/page/1
You can't intellectualize the pro-choice argument while proclaiming abortion is an 'ugly' thing. Sorry, simple logic won't allow it.
AND, FYI, the majority of organizations that support women in crisis pregnancies are charity organizations support and funded by the pro-life movement. Because they realize how much is at stake.
Women deserve better than abortion. As do their children. So many people wait for years to adopt... and many will never have the chance because the children they could have raised are being brutally murdered.
PS. To the Vigneau's: I love reading your blog!!! Keira is getting so cute. The internet is a funny thing, huh? Who knows who you will meet next! ;)
Please excuse my grammar. It's late and I am very tired. :)
Sorry, I just can not be quiet on this one:
"The norm is someone coming in well before 20 weeks"
What does that matter? The fact that Obama has repeatedly voted to uphold late term abortions is a problem. Have you seen ultrasounds of babies at six weeks? Eight weeks? Ten weeks---there is no doubt that they are human beings....and because they have no voice, many of us choose to speak out on their behalf in their defense.
"the norm is someone who doesn't want a child."
So they should use abortion as a form of birth control? How many people have you encountered that WANT to have children and are unable...there are no 'unwanted' children....there are simply inconvenient children---HUGE difference.
"Abortion IS ugly; that is true. But so is child abuse and war and poverty."
Yes, and we should do all we can to solve all those issues. You can't ignore any of them.
"The medical profession that won't treat someone for a condition (until it's too late) because they don't have insurance: That's ugly, too."
Sorry, I have not seen this happen. There are social workers out there that find a way to make it work for the uninsured. Hospitals write off tons of money for people that are unable to pay... People in the US do not go without treatment....
"What I'd like to know is why do some people care more about the viability of fetuses than they care about the sons and daughters of mothers who are sent off to war for scandelous reasons?"
Why do you think that people care more about one than another? Because some people supported the overthrow of a murderous dictator who killed thousands of his own countrymen? All life is sacred, all life should be protected---not just the unborn, but ESPECIALLY the unborn.
"Why do the same people who insert themselves into private decisions about abortion go on to rant about welfare mothers and medicaid cheats?"
I guess you have not honestly spent much time with those in the prolife movement. Ever heard of birthright or other organizations that go out of there way to provide housing, food, baby items and things like that to SUPPORT women who find themselves in situations of an unplanned pregnancy? You can not address the abortion issue without addressing the poverty issue--- Most prolife people I know are all about supporting women...and if that means medicaid and welfare for a time....there are no issues with that. It is when some political persons want socialism and want abuse of the system that there are issues.
"I will always choose supporting women first."
Well, I don't think that any support of abortion is a support of women. I think that abortion is possibly the greatest lie that has been thrust upon women. I choose to support babies....
Well said MichNH!! :)
Might I also add that it belittles the efforts of our brave men and women in service to speak of them as children being sent off to war. You know, as of right now, the military IS COMPLETELY voluntary. Plus, they have training to protect themselves in war and are issued guns. So, yeah, I care more about those who cannot protect themselves. Not really a fair comparison, sorry.
Plus, our brave men and women are currently fighting so we all have the freedom to write on these things called blogs! I, for one, am forever grateful to their service and sacrifice. My own brother might be one of those men one day and I would never insult his honor and courage in such a manner.
And PS, you can call a fetus by any other name, but it is still a human being, a life. That is a fact of medicine, not personal persuasion.
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